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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/07/02/bad-profits/#comment-76430</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that, Amy. I'll register and have a look at the forum in due course.

&lt;a href="http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2007/07/who-knew-i-coul.html"&gt;Seth Godin today&lt;/a&gt;, in discussing store layouts, comments that:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Many retailers believe that they still have the power to inconvenience shoppers as a way of increasing revenue&lt;/blockquote&gt;

which is, I would have thought, central to the thinking behind much 'bad profit' strategies, not just in retailing but in customer service in general, as well as design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that, Amy. I&#8217;ll register and have a look at the forum in due course.</p>
<p><a href="http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2007/07/who-knew-i-coul.html">Seth Godin today</a>, in discussing store layouts, comments that:</p>
<blockquote><p>Many retailers believe that they still have the power to inconvenience shoppers as a way of increasing revenue</p></blockquote>
<p>which is, I would have thought, central to the thinking behind much &#8216;bad profit&#8217; strategies, not just in retailing but in customer service in general, as well as design.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Madsen</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/07/02/bad-profits/#comment-76369</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Madsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post. The official Net Promoter website has a "Good and Bad Profits" discussion forum for people to post their experiences. Perhaps some of your readers would like to do so. Here is the link:

http://netpromoter.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/cfrm/f/9631073251

Earlier today, another blogger referenced a bad profit story in a blog entitled "How much money DO I have to have on deposit?" Here is that link:

http://loyaltyeconomics.blogspot.com/2007/07/how-much-money-do-i-have-to-have-on.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post. The official Net Promoter website has a &#8220;Good and Bad Profits&#8221; discussion forum for people to post their experiences. Perhaps some of your readers would like to do so. Here is the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://netpromoter.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/cfrm/f/9631073251" rel="nofollow">http://netpromoter.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/cfrm/f/9631073251</a></p>
<p>Earlier today, another blogger referenced a bad profit story in a blog entitled &#8220;How much money DO I have to have on deposit?&#8221; Here is that link:</p>
<p><a href="http://loyaltyeconomics.blogspot.com/2007/07/how-much-money-do-i-have-to-have-on.html" rel="nofollow">http://loyaltyeconomics.blogspot.com/2007/07/how-much-money-do-i-have-to-have-on.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/07/02/bad-profits/#comment-76222</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting about the price difference - there's a reason why razor blades are some of the &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4477596.stm"&gt;most shoplifted items&lt;/a&gt; and why so many of the expensive ones are now locked up in many supermarkets. Strange, the ones at the car boot sale seem cheaper than the ones in store...

As you say, the overkill with Fusion Power is fairly ridiculous. I remember a group of us laughing at &lt;a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33930"&gt;this story on The Onion&lt;/a&gt; as design students, before seeing &lt;a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/sep2005/nf20050915_1654_db035.htm"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; just a year later.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I'm telling them to stick two more blades in there. I don't care how. Make the blades so thin they're invisible. Put some on the handle. I don't care if they have to cram the fifth blade in perpendicular to the other four, just do it!

You're taking the "safety" part of "safety razor" too literally, grandma. Cut the strings and soar. Let's hit it. Let's roll. This is our chance to make razor history. Let's dream big. All you have to do is say that five blades can happen, and it will happen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nevertheless, Gillette hooked me into using the Mach 3 as a teenager by sending me a free one (not sure where they got my address from - electoral roll?), and they do the same with the Fusion (I've got a couple of them free by filling in subtly different address variants on their website). Yeah, they're good, but a cheap yellow Bic seems almost as good, and it's a &lt;em&gt;lot&lt;/em&gt; cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting about the price difference - there&#8217;s a reason why razor blades are some of the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4477596.stm">most shoplifted items</a> and why so many of the expensive ones are now locked up in many supermarkets. Strange, the ones at the car boot sale seem cheaper than the ones in store&#8230;</p>
<p>As you say, the overkill with Fusion Power is fairly ridiculous. I remember a group of us laughing at <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33930">this story on The Onion</a> as design students, before seeing <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/sep2005/nf20050915_1654_db035.htm">this</a> just a year later.</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m telling them to stick two more blades in there. I don&#8217;t care how. Make the blades so thin they&#8217;re invisible. Put some on the handle. I don&#8217;t care if they have to cram the fifth blade in perpendicular to the other four, just do it!</p>
<p>You&#8217;re taking the &#8220;safety&#8221; part of &#8220;safety razor&#8221; too literally, grandma. Cut the strings and soar. Let&#8217;s hit it. Let&#8217;s roll. This is our chance to make razor history. Let&#8217;s dream big. All you have to do is say that five blades can happen, and it will happen.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nevertheless, Gillette hooked me into using the Mach 3 as a teenager by sending me a free one (not sure where they got my address from - electoral roll?), and they do the same with the Fusion (I&#8217;ve got a couple of them free by filling in subtly different address variants on their website). Yeah, they&#8217;re good, but a cheap yellow Bic seems almost as good, and it&#8217;s a <em>lot</em> cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: dgthekneelo</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/07/02/bad-profits/#comment-76221</link>
		<dc:creator>dgthekneelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry 
I had to do it I am interested, always interesting stuff in your blog.
so I would hope you will accept this as a tagging.
david george (dgthekneelo)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry<br />
I had to do it I am interested, always interesting stuff in your blog.<br />
so I would hope you will accept this as a tagging.<br />
david george (dgthekneelo)</p>
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		<title>By: University Update - DRM - Bad profits</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/07/02/bad-profits/#comment-76219</link>
		<dc:creator>University Update - DRM - Bad profits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] YouTube                       Link to Article                drm Bad profits &#187;  Posted at  fulminate // Architectures of Control on Monday, July 02, 2007   [ Image from Sevenblock (Flickr)] [ Image from Sevenblock (Flickr)] The Gillette Sensor Excel not only comes with a dummy blade, it also only comes with two out of five possible blade slots filled. Images from Sevenblock on Flickr. The razor-blade model in general is something of an old chestnut as far as architectures of control go,  View Entire Article &#187; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] YouTube                       Link to Article                drm Bad profits &#187;  Posted at  fulminate // Architectures of Control on Monday, July 02, 2007   [ Image from Sevenblock (Flickr)] [ Image from Sevenblock (Flickr)] The Gillette Sensor Excel not only comes with a dummy blade, it also only comes with two out of five possible blade slots filled. Images from Sevenblock on Flickr. The razor-blade model in general is something of an old chestnut as far as architectures of control go,  View Entire Article &#187; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/07/02/bad-profits/#comment-76217</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always feel a slight pang of "eco-guilt" when buying yet-another razor from ASDA (UK Walmart variant) to replace the perfectly good one(s) I have at home.

I don't remember the exact prices but the refills (pack of 6 blades)  are about twice as costly as the razor, which comes with a blank and 4 blades on the back. The whole package is very similar to the Gillette one shown above[*] with the exception that the ASDA knock-offs go blunt in about two thirds the time. As they're about half the price of Gillette equivalent the deal is still a good one.

ASDA seem to have random week-to-week and store-to-store pricing variations so your mileage may vary.

Final razor comment: In reality the "Sensor Excel" is probably about as good as any competent daily shaver needs. The "Fusion Power" product needs to be put on a plinth with some witty explanatory card reminding viewers that no one ever lost money from underestimating the intelligence of the general public. 

[*] Geeks will want to know that the generic ASDA razors have a Sensor Excell type of look and feel (and blade mounting style) but have a Mach3 style triple blade with lube strip arrangement. I don't know who they get to make them but superficially it doesn't look like Wilkinson Sword or Gillette. They're clearly not as good as "the leading brands" in terms of performance but have a nice price to performance ratio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always feel a slight pang of &#8220;eco-guilt&#8221; when buying yet-another razor from ASDA (UK Walmart variant) to replace the perfectly good one(s) I have at home.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember the exact prices but the refills (pack of 6 blades)  are about twice as costly as the razor, which comes with a blank and 4 blades on the back. The whole package is very similar to the Gillette one shown above[*] with the exception that the ASDA knock-offs go blunt in about two thirds the time. As they&#8217;re about half the price of Gillette equivalent the deal is still a good one.</p>
<p>ASDA seem to have random week-to-week and store-to-store pricing variations so your mileage may vary.</p>
<p>Final razor comment: In reality the &#8220;Sensor Excel&#8221; is probably about as good as any competent daily shaver needs. The &#8220;Fusion Power&#8221; product needs to be put on a plinth with some witty explanatory card reminding viewers that no one ever lost money from underestimating the intelligence of the general public. </p>
<p>[*] Geeks will want to know that the generic ASDA razors have a Sensor Excell type of look and feel (and blade mounting style) but have a Mach3 style triple blade with lube strip arrangement. I don&#8217;t know who they get to make them but superficially it doesn&#8217;t look like Wilkinson Sword or Gillette. They&#8217;re clearly not as good as &#8220;the leading brands&#8221; in terms of performance but have a nice price to performance ratio.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/07/02/bad-profits/#comment-76213</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. &lt;a href="http://netpromoter.groupee.net/groupee/forums/a/frm/f/1931073251"&gt;This forum&lt;/a&gt; from Fred Reichheld's &lt;a href="http://www.netpromoter.com/"&gt;Net Promoter&lt;/a&gt; site looks interesting, although (a signficant) part of me wants to resist having to register in order to view the posts (&lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; is, in my mind, a negative user experience!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. <a href="http://netpromoter.groupee.net/groupee/forums/a/frm/f/1931073251">This forum</a> from Fred Reichheld&#8217;s <a href="http://www.netpromoter.com/">Net Promoter</a> site looks interesting, although (a signficant) part of me wants to resist having to register in order to view the posts (<em>that</em> is, in my mind, a negative user experience!).</p>
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