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	<title>Comments on: Bye-bye 9rules</title>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-129944</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found it very interesting how the article about your leaving 9rules, that is to say, what actions by 9rules prompted this, fits in rather well with the concept of architectures of control, aside from simply mentioning to your readers that you would no longer be blogging there.

More generally, I would just like to say that I am quite enjoying your blog (I have just come across it via a link you posted on TechRepublic), and that I find your work to be intelligent, well written, and edifying. 

I am sorry to hear that you had to leave 9rules, or 10rules, as the case may be. It sounded like quite an interesting site from what you mentioned. Unfortunately, it is all to often that going to the christmas party is actually a requisite at some places of employment, and that is one metaphor that came to mind in the course of reading your article.

Thank you, for all your thoughtful articles. I hope to continue visiting your blog in the future, time permitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found it very interesting how the article about your leaving 9rules, that is to say, what actions by 9rules prompted this, fits in rather well with the concept of architectures of control, aside from simply mentioning to your readers that you would no longer be blogging there.</p>
<p>More generally, I would just like to say that I am quite enjoying your blog (I have just come across it via a link you posted on TechRepublic), and that I find your work to be intelligent, well written, and edifying. </p>
<p>I am sorry to hear that you had to leave 9rules, or 10rules, as the case may be. It sounded like quite an interesting site from what you mentioned. Unfortunately, it is all to often that going to the christmas party is actually a requisite at some places of employment, and that is one metaphor that came to mind in the course of reading your article.</p>
<p>Thank you, for all your thoughtful articles. I hope to continue visiting your blog in the future, time permitting.</p>
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		<title>By: A Modest Construct &#187; Leaving 9Rules</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-117597</link>
		<dc:creator>A Modest Construct &#187; Leaving 9Rules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dan Lockton [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Where is the Blogosphere? : The Blog Herald</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-107263</link>
		<dc:creator>Where is the Blogosphere? : The Blog Herald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 9rules recenty changed its design and focus and it now calls itself &#8220;a social content network.&#8221; It is interesting to see that the focus has shifted from a weblog community to a social content network. There is a new focus on the social aspect of the community which now requires active participation from members. If you don&#8217;t participate in the member section or on the 9rules site itself your blog will no longer be listed on 9rules. This has led to several members leaving 9rules as they disagree with frequency of participation being a measure for quality. Despite the shift of focus it is still a community that strives to present the best of the blogosphere to its users. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 9rules recenty changed its design and focus and it now calls itself &#8220;a social content network.&#8221; It is interesting to see that the focus has shifted from a weblog community to a social content network. There is a new focus on the social aspect of the community which now requires active participation from members. If you don&#8217;t participate in the member section or on the 9rules site itself your blog will no longer be listed on 9rules. This has led to several members leaving 9rules as they disagree with frequency of participation being a measure for quality. Despite the shift of focus it is still a community that strives to present the best of the blogosphere to its users. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: octavia</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-104086</link>
		<dc:creator>octavia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disclaimer: I&#039;m not a huge fan of social networking sites, and I am not involved in the 9rules situation at all. But the situation as described seems a little unfair: the people who interact with each other a lot decide that interacting with them a lot should be the new criterion for membership in the group. Nice!

I really enjoy this blog. And now you&#039;ve performed a public service by letting me know that I needn&#039;t bother looking into the content at 9rules. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disclaimer: I&#8217;m not a huge fan of social networking sites, and I am not involved in the 9rules situation at all. But the situation as described seems a little unfair: the people who interact with each other a lot decide that interacting with them a lot should be the new criterion for membership in the group. Nice!</p>
<p>I really enjoy this blog. And now you&#8217;ve performed a public service by letting me know that I needn&#8217;t bother looking into the content at 9rules. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Irish</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-103009</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Irish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Required participation? Perhaps the worst social networking idea I&#039;ve ever heard of. What are they thinking!!?
Good move Dan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Required participation? Perhaps the worst social networking idea I&#8217;ve ever heard of. What are they thinking!!?<br />
Good move Dan.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-102876</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said...I&#039;m leaving 9rules for the same reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said&#8230;I&#8217;m leaving 9rules for the same reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Mohn</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-102761</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Mohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian: Oh, ok. I just assumed that it was related. Either way, if you don&#039;t feel its a good fit it&#039;s not a good fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian: Oh, ok. I just assumed that it was related. Either way, if you don&#8217;t feel its a good fit it&#8217;s not a good fit.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-102561</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian,  for the record:  I left 9rules two months back.  It had nothing to do with participation requirements. I just didn&#039;t feel a connection with most of the things people talk about in that &quot;community&quot;.  I&#039;m an old guy and the blogging part was what mattered most to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian,  for the record:  I left 9rules two months back.  It had nothing to do with participation requirements. I just didn&#8217;t feel a connection with most of the things people talk about in that &#8220;community&#8221;.  I&#8217;m an old guy and the blogging part was what mattered most to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Oliphant</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-102493</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Oliphant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get that definitely.  I probably do way too much; trying to fit too much in.  Time spent on one thing is time taken from another.  

But any good writing takes a lot of time reading and researching. While the forum could be a time sink sometimes, it also allowed the opportunity to pose lazyweb queries related to things I needed and almost all the time I got what I was looking for.  But I couldn&#039;t have benefited from it if I didn&#039;t invest in the first place.

And for the record, my intention isn&#039;t to argue the point; just to understand better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get that definitely.  I probably do way too much; trying to fit too much in.  Time spent on one thing is time taken from another.  </p>
<p>But any good writing takes a lot of time reading and researching. While the forum could be a time sink sometimes, it also allowed the opportunity to pose lazyweb queries related to things I needed and almost all the time I got what I was looking for.  But I couldn&#8217;t have benefited from it if I didn&#8217;t invest in the first place.</p>
<p>And for the record, my intention isn&#8217;t to argue the point; just to understand better.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-102369</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matthew: All I said was that &lt;em&gt;time&lt;/em&gt; spent on one activity (i.e. forums) is time not available to spend on actually blogging. My time is a rivalrous resource - that&#039;s all I meant. 

As you say, not having taken the plunge to get involved with the members-only forum, I don&#039;t have any experience to base my supposition on, but I do know that time spent on my blog will potentially reach a wider and more diverse audience than time spent on members-only forums. 

I don&#039;t doubt that participating fully in the forums is great if you enjoy it, and I&#039;m sure forum discussions and that kind of community-building have led to some great outcomes and ideas for blogging, etc, but, personally, it&#039;s not what attracted me to try to join 9rules in the first place. What attracted me was the content of the blogs involved, and the opportunity to discover high-quality writing, and in the process (hopefully) have some other people discover my writing; 9rules fulfilled those desires very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matthew: All I said was that <em>time</em> spent on one activity (i.e. forums) is time not available to spend on actually blogging. My time is a rivalrous resource &#8211; that&#8217;s all I meant. </p>
<p>As you say, not having taken the plunge to get involved with the members-only forum, I don&#8217;t have any experience to base my supposition on, but I do know that time spent on my blog will potentially reach a wider and more diverse audience than time spent on members-only forums. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that participating fully in the forums is great if you enjoy it, and I&#8217;m sure forum discussions and that kind of community-building have led to some great outcomes and ideas for blogging, etc, but, personally, it&#8217;s not what attracted me to try to join 9rules in the first place. What attracted me was the content of the blogs involved, and the opportunity to discover high-quality writing, and in the process (hopefully) have some other people discover my writing; 9rules fulfilled those desires very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Oliphant</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-101933</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Oliphant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m not sure there’s actually any correlation between time spent on interactive banter within a closed community, and creating worthwhile blog content that people want to read: it would seem that time spent on one precludes spending time on the other.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Considering you never interacted with the closed community (the member&#039;s only forum) before the change in terms of agreement, I want to know what experience you have to figure that one precludes the other.

This &quot;shake out&quot; seems* to be seen as negative mostly* by people who didn&#039;t participate much anyway.

*I am hedging a bit since I don&#039;t know the whole list of who is not accepting the new agreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m not sure there’s actually any correlation between time spent on interactive banter within a closed community, and creating worthwhile blog content that people want to read: it would seem that time spent on one precludes spending time on the other.</p></blockquote>
<p>Considering you never interacted with the closed community (the member&#8217;s only forum) before the change in terms of agreement, I want to know what experience you have to figure that one precludes the other.</p>
<p>This &#8220;shake out&#8221; seems* to be seen as negative mostly* by people who didn&#8217;t participate much anyway.</p>
<p>*I am hedging a bit since I don&#8217;t know the whole list of who is not accepting the new agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Mohn</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-101924</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Mohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad I&#039;m not alone in  &lt;a href=&quot;http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/leaving-9rules&quot;&gt;leaving 9rules&lt;/a&gt;.

As Brian, and yourself, I also rejected the new membership agreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad I&#8217;m not alone in  <a href="http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/leaving-9rules">leaving 9rules</a>.</p>
<p>As Brian, and yourself, I also rejected the new membership agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Mohn</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-101923</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Mohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the same situation, I outlined my thoughts in &lt;a href=&quot;http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/leaving-9rules&quot;&gt;Leaving 9rules&lt;/a&gt;.

Seems we are very much on par here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the same situation, I outlined my thoughts in <a href="http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/leaving-9rules">Leaving 9rules</a>.</p>
<p>Seems we are very much on par here.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Brignull</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-101906</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Brignull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Maybe it will become a good case study about the dos &amp; don&#039;ts of running &amp; developing online communities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Maybe it will become a good case study about the dos &amp; don&#8217;ts of running &amp; developing online communities?</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-101838</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a recently-ex member I understand your feelings on this.  I&#039;m one who found your blog through 9Rules, too, btw.  Don&#039;t know what they&#039;re about, but clearly the blogs are not/no longer the focus. 

Continued success with yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a recently-ex member I understand your feelings on this.  I&#8217;m one who found your blog through 9Rules, too, btw.  Don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re about, but clearly the blogs are not/no longer the focus. </p>
<p>Continued success with yours.</p>
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		<title>By: h3h.net - 9rules Takes a Dive</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-101822</link>
		<dc:creator>h3h.net - 9rules Takes a Dive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m going to keep this short and sweet. 9rules, the community I was admitted to based on the quality of my site content, has recently made a change in policy. This quote sums it up: &#8230;participation in either the new member area or my.9rules is required for all members&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m going to keep this short and sweet. 9rules, the community I was admitted to based on the quality of my site content, has recently made a change in policy. This quote sums it up: &#8230;participation in either the new member area or my.9rules is required for all members&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/2007/10/05/bye-bye-9rules/comment-page-1/#comment-101742</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your assessment of the situation is entirely reasonable. This change is unsettling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your assessment of the situation is entirely reasonable. This change is unsettling.</p>
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